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Arizona Highlander
10-09-2006, 06:10 PM
Anyone here ever try growing veggies indoors during the wintertime? I have four big, south-facing windows in my kitchen, so I decided to make the plunge last year . . . with decidedly marginal results. :D

First, unless you have a HUGE house, forget about growing enough veggies indoors to feed the family. Heck, if I had depended on my indoor veggies for sustenance, I wouldn’t have even survived myself. I see indoor wintertime veggies as partly morale-booster (fresh veggies do help liven the menu a bit) and partly as a source of essential vitamins (which might be in short supply, if one was living off their stored food).

A few of my experiences:

Peppers (Sweet and Hot). Fairly trouble free, once you get them going, and they add a lot of flavor to one’s survival rations. They’re also jammed-packed with vitamin C. Rather pretty plants, too - almost decorative. I grew them in 8” pots and they worked out well. BUT, I discovered that pepper seeds flat-assed won’t germinate unless the soil temperature is above 75 degrees or so. During normal wintertime household temperature conditions (with the thermostat set, say, for 68 degrees) the dammed things just won’t sprout. I haven’t figured a work-around yet, except to get them sprouted in October when it’s still warm, and then trying to keep the plants going for as long as I can through the winter.

Tomatoes. A fine little crop, though I discovered that the vines seemed to take over the kitchen after a while. The little, oblong “Roma” tomatoes did best for me; fairly prolific and not too overgrown with vines. Tiny cherry tomatoes also did okay (I grew them from hanging baskets) but the season’s biggest failures were the large, “Beefsteak” variety tomatoes, which produced huge vines but only ONE ugly, misshapen fruit. I’d suggest saving the “Beefsteak” type tomato seeds for outdoor summertime use.

Peas. Peas are traditionally a cool-weather crop, so I thought they’d be successful indoors. They sprouted readily and quickly grew to about 8” in height, but then they all died! I’m still not sure what went wrong, but I’ll probably give them another shot this winter.

Beets. A bit of a disappointment. Pretty good germination, but the resultant beet crop ended up with small and tough little roots. Better than going hungry, I guess, but nothing to get thrilled about. Again, I’m not sure what I did wrong, but I might give them another go this winter.

Onions. Tough to germinate (most of the seeds didn’t) but once they got going they hung in there. They proved to be VERY slow growing, but they didn’t die on me - they just slowly got bigger and bigger as the months passed. Onions probably don’t have much nutritional value, but they could sure add some spice to the wintertime dinner table (“rabbit stew” - consisting solely of boiled rabbit - doesn’t sound too appetizing. Toss in a few onions, though, and it might not be so bad).

This year, I may consider adding a dwarf lemon tree. They’re very decorative, and the lemons could also be a great source for vitamin C during the cold winter months. The ones my mom have back in California seem to bear fruit mostly during the wintertime, making them perhaps ideally suited for my purposes. They’re VERY frost sensitive, though, so they have to come indoors at the first touch of winter.

Recall also that the blooms have to be hand-pollinated (this goes for the peppers and tomatoes, as well for the lemons). I just use a small artist’s paintbrush (like the kind you might use for model airplanes or trains) and go about gently tapping the inside of each bloom with the brush. The pollen gets transferred between the flowers that way. It only requires a minute or two, a couple of times a week.

Also, last year’s experiment got cut short when I was infested with HUNDREDS of “fungus gnats,” who somehow gained a foothold in the potting soil I was using. The only sure cure was to take the soil outside and dispose of it. Since it was already March by then, I wouldn’t consider my experiment a total failure, but it WAS a huge annoyance. I’ve since learned that putting a ½-to-1 inch layer of clean sand atop the potting soil will thwart the gnats - they can’t reproduce in sand.

Despite my mixed results, I still think that indoor wintertime gardening has potential, and I’d love to hear if anyone else has any experience in this area.

bsdmon
10-09-2006, 06:14 PM
well you could also always try hydroponics with grow lights. but i realize in a shtf situation this wouldnt be as viable. in this case if cut a hole in my ceiling and conver a room into an indoor greenhouse. but for the non shtf situation as in now. i believe most people that grow anything indoors be it vegetables or some kind of rare flower use lights. as for the fungus gnats i think that means you were probably overwatering which is a common mistake when growing indoors.

Goldenspurholderx2
10-09-2006, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the tip with the pollinating, I couldn't figure that one out. I am going to try some romaine lettuce this year, the wife loved it from the garden. I have a south facing widow well that I want to Plexiglas over the security grate and see what happens. Fresh veggies are always welcome!

Dr. X
10-10-2006, 01:23 PM
well you could also always try hydroponics with grow lights...

For maximum yield, hydroponics far outperforms other forms of indoor growing. It's not as messy as dirt either. Plant yer seeds or cuttings in rockwool cubes, put the cubes in a tray of tepid water, lower yer 400w metal halide down to 2" from the cubes. Use an aquarium pump to aerate and keep yer PH checked. Leave the light on 24/7. In about three days yer seeds will sprout. Wait till the roots develop, then transfer the cubes to a pot with pearlite/vermiculite mix or volcanic lava rock. Water plants with fertilizer mix. As the plants grow larger, you may want to get a moving track for the light so it travels back and forth above the garden. A fan blowing through the garden keeps air circulating. With day to day feeding, you'll be growing some monster 'maters and peppers in no time. Herbs and seasonings grow well indooors as well. Hydroponics is a fascinating way to garden, and takes some study to learn, but the results are more than worth it...:)

as ever,
Dr. X

Arizona Highlander
10-12-2006, 06:58 PM
Hi there, Dr. X! Yes, I experimented with hydroponics and artificial lighting some years back, and indeed, it does tend to yield a great crop (I suspect that some of the slow-growing issues I’m facing now come from inadequate winter sunlight). In normal times, hydroponics is hard to beat. However, the pumps and “Gro-Lux” bulbs really suck up electricity. So, I was thinking that in a “survival” situation (where electricity might be scarce) I might want to experiment with the all-natural route.

Of course, it’s easy for me to talk about “going natural.” I live in the southern regions, where we get 9 hours of sunlight in the dead of winter (and, here in Arizona, even cloudy days are uncommon). While it’s been marginally working for me, I admit that “going natural” might be a total impossibility for someone living in a place like Upper Michigan.

However, you planted a little bug in my ear, for I think now that there could be some real merit in considering a “solar powered” hydroponics setup. Even a fairly small solar panel/battery bank setup could keep the pumps and lights running for most of the night. And imagine the value of having fresh veggies available for barter, year-round, in a post SHTF situation!

Just as a side note: I recall a few years back when the Feds raided the offices of a mail-order hydroponics supplier, and then seized their customer list - apparently, on the assumption that anybody who might be buying this stuff must certainly be doing so to grow marijuana. For someone like me (who’s only interested in growing tomatoes) I don’t relish the idea of the Feds busting down my front door at 2:00 AM looking for weed.

So, if I ever return to playing with hydroponics, you can bet I’ll find a local source, and I’ll be paying cash!

Dr. X
10-14-2006, 04:18 AM
I live near Asheville, which is an eco-friendly town, and a hydroponic store, Asheville Agricultural Systems, has been in business there for about five years. I admit, I first checked out 'ponics for the obvious reasons, but learned quickly that ANY crop could benefit from this operation. I plan to go solar as money permits and all you'd have to allow for in your battery power equation would be the wattage from a 400w MH light, ( which doesn't use as much power as you'd think) Another way to increase yield is to charge the air with CO2, which can be supplied by a propane heater. You'd be amazed what a difference THAT makes...

as ever,
Dr. X

Arizona Highlander
10-15-2006, 05:54 PM
Doggone it, Dr. X, as if I don’t have enough things to spend my meager income on, now you’ve gone and gotten me all jazzed about hydroponics! :D

My early experiments with hydroponics were some 20+ years ago, using equipment I’d bought second hand, so no doubt there’s been some huge changes in the hydro market since then. I’d previously used something called “Gro-Lux” bulbs - as I recall, 40W fluorescents that gave off a purplish light. So, MH lights are brand-new to me. However, at 400W apiece, those babies ought to really light up the whole room.

Nobody in my area deals in hydroponics (no surprise, since I live in a small town) but in metro Phoenix there’s a place or two. It’s a 120 mile drive down there from my rural abode, but on my next trip to “the Valley” I guess I’ll have to check them out and get even more ideas for spending money.

The Phoenix place, incidentally, is called “Sea of Green” and there are locations in Phoenix and Tempe. Tons of hydroponics stuff there.

Link: http://www.sea-of-green.com/store/

Dr. X
10-15-2006, 08:40 PM
Sea of Green is a great store. I shopped it online comparing prices before purchasing from Asheville Ag in person (which is what I'd suggest in your situation) paying cash. A great starter set is made by Hydrofarm and comes with everything but the light and seeds. Get the best quality light you can afford. When it is time to change bulbs buy the best bulb you can afford. (There IS a difference) Another thing that I don't consider a luxury in 'ponics is a good PH meter. A decent one costs about 60 smacks, but it will save you that in frustration. Just dip in the water and the ph level appears in a digital form. Beats the crap outta testing strips. The 400 DOES light up a room (You should see what a 1000 mercury vapor [used during flowering] will do) and it will help with the heat. Matter of fact, your indoor environment would improve dramatically. Steady light, heat, air circulation, the plants generating fresh oxygen and using the carbon dioxide that your family exhales to process the food that you provide for it's growth. Few things in life are more gratifying or make you feel closer to God...:)

as ever,
Dr. X