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411man
05-22-2007, 04:09 PM
Let me clear-up any lingering mis-conceptions on the future of ANY and ALL Military Surplus Arms and Ammunition Restriction and Bans.

1) The UN is slowly but surely cutting off ALL export and sales of Military Surplus Munitions and Arms. Anyone remember South Africa and their cutting-off exports of ammunition?

In the former Chech Republic new condition never issued CZ-52 Carbines are being SCRAPPED not exported for sale on the commercial markets as they were in the 1990s.

So too are tons of 8mm Mauser, 7.62x25 Tokarev, 7.62x54R, as well as other munitions being SCRAPPED for their Metals value and to comply with the UN's upcoming Arms Trade Treaty on the control and elimination of the worldwide Proliferation of Small Arms and Ammunition.

http://www.iansa.org/un/documents/ATTresnDec06.pdf
http://www.iansa.org/un/programme-of-action.htm
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/files...nt/disarm.html


Read the information in the link below and see the connection between UN efforts and both current and future US domestic efforts at ammunition restriction towards the objective of gun control domestic and worldwide.

http://www.oxfam.org/en/files/bn0606...ition/download



2) Under Clinton ALL US surplus munitions stopped being placed for sale on the Domestic civilian or foreign civilian markets. ONLY De-Militarized components and remanufactured munitions are allowed to placed for sale.

3) US Government and Civilian ammunition makers are unable to meet the demand for ammunition necessary for training and fighting the current war on terror. The remains only ONE government arsenal producing ammunition in the US ( Lake City ). Currently, ALL components or Re-Manufactured ammunition which may come out of Lake City failed Military SPECIFICATIONS.

There is NO Surplus production coming-out of Lake City Nor will there be for the foreseeable future.

Once demand is reduced to below the maximum out put of Lake City such government stocks as deemed necessary to be maintained as a reserve will next be re-built and then and ONLY then will there be any surplus manufacturing capability at Lake City arsenal.

4) Should Hillary or most likely any other Demorat gain the White House, Regulations which Ban the Importation of so called Non-Sporting ammunition will no doubt be activated. They were drawn-up under Billy Bob Clinton's administration in the late 1990s. Among the types of amunition which would be prohibited would be any Commercial or Military Surplus BALL ammo in any Military calibre along with certain Law Enforcement calibre ammunition as well.

No doubt other restrictions would be included.

5) Currently, several foreign sources are being tapped for ammunition to supply the war effort.

a) Among these are PMC ( 50 cal. ) which had to stop manufacturing any other amunition in order to fill its US contract folr 50 cal ammo. In 2008 a new factory should start producing amunition for the US civilian domestic market.

b) Wolf and other foreign suppliers of 7.62x36 and 7.62x54R amunition have been contracted for significant ammounts of amunition thus resulting in limits on the availability from those sources.

c) Israel and other nations are suppling US military calibre small arms and cannon munitions currently.

With regards to a future Assualt Weapons Ban, please re-read and study the information in the following links.

1) Dept of Treasury Study On the Sporting Suitability of Modified Semiautomatic Assualt Rifles April 1998
http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/treas_p...fles/index.htm

2) Report and Recomendation of the ATF Working Group of the Importability of Certain Semiautomatic Rifles
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...989_report.txt

3)Rational Basis Analysis of " Assualt Weapon " Prohibition.
http://www.guncite.com/journals/rational.html

4) 1998 Remarks By the President On the Asualt Weapons Ban
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/gun-ban.htm

5) A Case For Gun Control
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl/guns.htm

6)Non-Governmental Organizations ( NGOs ) input and influency in UN efforts as well as Nation State Law and Policy.

a) http://www.bicc.de/helpdesk/methods/guide1.html
b) http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/files...t/mission.html
c) http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/files...nt/disarm.html
d) http://www.controlarms.org/documents...l_21Sept06.pdf
d) http://www.comunidadesegura.org/?q=en/node/33699

7) Current UN efforts as opposed by the US.
http://www.iansa.org/un/programme-of-action.htm
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa071201a.htm


Any questions that the UN and anti-gun NGOs are out to end access to small arms and ammunition?

funfaler
05-23-2007, 01:31 PM
I don't see many that have the mistaken idea that there is NOT an assault upon our Rights.

Either they don't care, or feel there is nothing they can do.

As far as the UN's influence upon the US, they have it because "We the People" allow our politicians to bend to the UN, not to us. The UN's influence over the other countries is out of conrol (unless we convince our politicians to stop funding the UN)

My point is that the UN is a "boogie man", but one that we can not control, however, we have some control over the US politicians. I fear that "We the People" will not realize the gravity of losing the Second Amendment until it is too late, but that is our folly.

There are signs that people and states are waking up, we just need to keep that motion going.

The days of cheap surplus is gone, atleast until the UN starts to lose favor or the monitary means to strong arm the lesser countries from trading with us.

411man
05-23-2007, 03:32 PM
Due to the Immersion in the state of DENIAL which has become the AUTO-RESPONCE MODE of the vast majority of Americans; admission that CONUS is under nuclear terrorist threat or even a viable IED, Homicide bomber, or Hit and Run Gun attack threat is " Verboten " ! :banghead:

Lest those in the survival community think their community is immune, just remember the virulent reaction to those who tried to give a heads-up to the coming changes in the availability and pricing of ammunition.

Ponce
05-25-2007, 06:39 PM
The best place to buy ammo at this time is "Cheaper Than Dirt" and "Sportsmans Guide".....prices gone up a lot but still there.

Warning....... any new firearm of ammo that you get in the future be sure to keep it away from the the same that you might have hiden away..... the reason for this is that they could place some "goodies" somewhere in the goods that could be traced in the future.

I won't say "where" but the US are "loosing" military equipment that are falling into enemys hands with inserted micro GPS grains that allows the US troops to find the "enemy"........ don't be an enemy.

411man
05-25-2007, 06:59 PM
Can you ofer a source on this info especially one that is on the WWW ?

Ponce
05-26-2007, 01:37 AM
411? you have mail.......... ;)