It Only Takes ONE

[411man]

When it comes to a Distaster, SHTF, or TEOTWAWKI type situation, it only takes ONE Traitor or Disaffected Un-Cooperative type individual to undue, sabatoge, or DESTROY Your group's Survival efforts.

Beyond the great effort in planning and the daunting financial sacrifices required to prepare for a major survival event; lies the greatest challenge of all: the SECURITY threat from without and within.

I am reminded that those who refuse to learn history's lessons are certain to suffer the consequences of it. It only takes ONE Bad Apple, it only took one Judas, it only took one Brutus, it only took one Quisling, well you see my point don't you !

Whether the threat comes from a member inside your group or a group of hostile mauraders all of the sacrifices and labors invested towards surviving can be brought to Utter Destruction by the Failure to address promptly with effective measures either the threats from without or within .

Just as one must provide the necessary tools and supplies for survival before they are needed so too must the plans, strategies, and tactics be provided prior to their need in time of crisis.

Consider the effects of a cronic whiner and malcontent within your survival group ! Of the several immediate effects to be experienced will be the loss of that person's contribution to the survival efforts. At the same time, the moral of others will be adversely impacted. Along with those negatives will also come infighting and and the eventual loss of the critical cohesive action and cooperation of the group so vital to the success of their efforts to survive. Yes the one ROTTEN APPLE rule is Real.

No one needs to have it explained what one TRAITOR within the group who decides that their best interest lies in throwing their fate and that of the group to the mercies of some outside group or force. AH ! the Quisling, Brutus, Judas reality.

So, have you made plans as to how such behavior would be dealt with? Has your group made decisions as to what will be done?

While the options and courses of action are many; disaster and death wait as the result of indecision or failure to immediately end the threat .

Survival means just that. One cannot for instance expect to survival if not prepared to neuralize both external and internal threats to the efforts require to achieve survival for one and all. If this means disposing of human waste or two legged preditors the failure to do so can bring only one result. Without the COMMITMENT of one and all survival is put in immediate doubt.

Long before one is faced with the presence of a 100 or so cold blooded maurading hostiles charging the group's survival location a plan MUST be in place along with the commitment and tools to accomplish what must be done. No one gets a "Free Ride" or to "Sit this one out". Yes, it may be only a dozen or two cold blooded criminals come to take what they will, still the same commitment is required.

Will you take prisoners?

Where will the food to feed them come from?

Who will be diverted from their survival tasks to guard the prisnors?

Where will they be housed?

What happens if first one then another then another individual within the group decides they will NOT perform this task or that?

These aspects of your survival plan are CRITICAL and must be prepared in advance.

[MdlMkr 7.62]

+1 for 411 man.

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[411man]

A great many Americans plan to sit out a long term disaster, SHTF, or TEOTWAWKI situation in a Urban area. Multiple attacks by various size hostile groups are to be expected. Thus, these situations MUST be planned for prior to such events occurring.

It is not pleasant to plan for such situations but critical to a groups chances for survival.

[MdlMkr 7.62]

If one of your group goes psyco, tell 'em to STFU & make 'em sit in a chair in the corner:D . Who the hell has the ability to take prisoners?

OK, I'll just take you to your cell now and we'll have some dinner for you at 5. Let us know if there's anything you need.......

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[411man]

My observation of the average 21ST Century American is that they are VERY SQUEAMISH when it comes to preparing for disaster type events, acquesition of and preparation of raw food, and dealing decisively with criminal types. It would require a miracle change in mindset for them to be able to prepare for such planning and preparations called for in surviving major disaster type events.

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Can't we all just get along? NO!

If the SHTF we'll all just sing Kumba ya and wait for FEMA. Don't worry baby, FEMA will be here soon. :rolleyes:

I believe most people are that naive.

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[411man]

I have come to the regretable realization that should an indivivdual in a group refuse to contribute to the survival effort or insist or threaten to go over to hostiles in the AO. that immediately marks them as a immanent threat to the immediate survival of the group. If they are simply banished then they can go carry all of the critical information about the group to that group's enemies. Yea, the Red Dawn situation may come to REALITY.

If their refusal to participate is left uncorrected then the functionality of the group will eventually be destroyed.

Obviously, long before a group is formed every possible effort MUST be made to really know about how each individual has or will react to a major disaster etc.

Still how honest about that whining girl friend of your best friend are you being?

Can your brother and his family really be counted on to commit to the long term survival effort for the duration?


Will others in your group decide to bring along "Freddy the Freeloader" and his family?

Now you can see why MUCH and Careful thought MUST go into who is included in one's group.

[Dr. X]

No group, no traitor. I don't play well in groups. Run alone and trust no one is the way I roll...:cool:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[Jonas Parker]

No group, no traitor. I don't play well in groups. Run alone and trust no one is the way I roll...:cool:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

Gee, Doc, if you're all alone, who are you gonna tell to STFU?
:p

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Gee, Doc, if you're all alone, who are you gonna tell to STFU?
:p
Ha ha. Good one!

+1 for Jonas :D

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[Dr. X]

Gee, Doc, if you're all alone, who are you gonna tell to STFU?
:p

Myself, of course...:D

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Myself, of course...:D

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

Think you'll listen to yourself? :D

7.62 :cool:

[Dr. X]

Think you'll listen to yourself...?

I do what the voices in my head tell me to...:eek:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

9 of the 10 voices in my head are saying "stay home and clean your guns today" :eek:

7.62 :cool:

[tedbo]

Me,myself and I make a heck of a team!:p At least that is usually what happens when there is WORK to be done around here!

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Funny how you're all alone when there is work to be done! Shows who your friends REALLY are! :eek:

7.62 :rolleyes:

[tedbo]

Ain't that the truth!I have two GREAT neighbors,tho.They cut,raked,baled and put up about 800 bales of hay for me last year when I got hurt.Them's the neighbors you call friends!Thing is,they get just as busy as me.I'm so far behind I think I'm ahead!:eek:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Ain't that the truth!I have two GREAT neighbors,tho.They cut,raked,baled and put up about 800 bales of hay for me last year when I got hurt.Them's the neighbors you call friends!Thing is,they get just as busy as me.I'm so far behind I think I'm ahead!:eek:


You are a very lucky man ;)

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[411man]

+2 on that !

[Dr. X]

Funny how you're all alone when there is work to be done...


Yer never alone when yer schizophrenic...:eek:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Yer never alone when yer schizophrenic...:eek:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:


Hopefully you can get along with yourself..... :eek:

7.62 ;)

[tedbo]

And you can tell yourself to STFU!(STFU!No,YOU STFU!No,YOU STFU!.....and on and on and on!:p )

[tedbo]

Yeah guys,I have been blessed more than I deserve.A lot of the contributing factor is that I am one who was brought up to just get up and go do for a neighbor or anyone who I hear needs a helping hand.I do it 'cause I WANT to,not that it will serve me in my interests.
Whether you or I believe in a Higher Power is not the deciding factor.I learned early on in life that if I can just be another helping hand and not necessarily being the leader in some endevour,I just MIGHT learn something useful that COULD help me farther down the road.Gee,it might even save me a few bucks in the learning curve when I have a project I am trying to do.
It isn't about money for me.It is about the reward I get when I see it the eyes of someone who is in a serious bind and is TRULY grateful.I now understand what it is like from bothe sides.Very humbling...'scuse me,I gots something in my eye.
Sorry if I hijacked the thread but I feel like I need to say what is on my mind at the time because I don't always get the message out when I try to relay it at a later time.

[MdlMkr 7.62]

And you can tell yourself to STFU!(STFU!No,YOU STFU!No,YOU STFU!.....and on and on and on!:p )

Ha, You're killing me! :D :D


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[Dr. X]

And you can tell yourself to STFU!(STFU!No,YOU STFU!No,YOU STFU!.....and on and on and on!:p )

So THAT's why I can't get nothin' done can get everything done...:confused:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Makes me think of "Army of Darkness - the part where the guy has 2 heads...

Ha, ha.....

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[tedbo]

I was thinking along the same lines.It was either that or some sort of Three Stooges on drugs I dreamt of as a kid.NYAA,AAA!:eek:

[tedbo]

Oh,paging Dr.X,I hear them gears a' workin' so take two aspirin an'STFU!:p :p

[Annarchy]

If it is a group situation, then, if you don't pull your own weight, feed and protect yourself, then you are a hazard. If you don't take measures to correct the issue, then, hit the road. Don't ask me to provide for someone who wants to do nothing but whine.

Contingency plans need to be prepared, the reality of what will happen is enough to necessitate it. Too many people live in the fast paced world; work, shop, family, TV, sleep, work, shop, family, TV, etc. When SHTF, they aren't prepared. There might be a weeks worth of food, most don't store water, kids start whining and we have chaos.

After a month of that, they start searching for those of us who are prepared.


You'll here me saying, "Hey Poppa, Lock & Load!" :eek:

[Dr. X]

After a month of that, they start searching for those of us who are prepared.
You'll here me saying, "Hey Poppa, Lock & Load!"

Exactly...I've had to do without things to get my preparations more or less in line. If others don't care enough about their mate and children to prepare for coming disaster, then they needn't show up on my doorstep come doomsday...:mad:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Exactly...I've had to do without things to get my preparations more or less in line. If others don't care enough about their mate and children to prepare for coming disaster, then they needn't show up on my doorstep come doomsday...:mad:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

I agree 110%

7.62 :cool:

[411man]

In 21st Century America you can bet your last dollar without fear of loss that in a catastrophic disaster the general population will come looking for everyone else to save them when the government fails to do so. In fact they will DEMAND it not ASK for it.

[Dr. X]

In fact they will DEMAND it not ASK for it...

And then turn varying degrees of pissy when we fail to come across, thus my previous statement...:mad:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Well they'll have another thing comin' if the try to F#@k with the good Dr. and his FAL! ;)

7.62 :cool:

[411man]

My friends and asociates do not discriminate, we'll give them FALs, HKs, Galil,s and a whole lot more.

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Give 'em HELL and tell 'em to STFU!!! :D

7.62 :cool:

[Dr. X]

If you give 'em Parallel Hell you wouldn't HAVE to tell 'em to STFU...ever again.

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Dr. X is his name

giving 'em Hell (from 300 meters) is his game. :D


Just what the Dr. ordered! :eek:

7.62 :cool:

[Dr. X]

Just what the Dr. ordered...

but not the prescription they had in mind...:eek:

as ever,
Dr. X :cool:

[MdlMkr 7.62]

Tell 'em..

"Take two of these 150gr FMJ's and you won't be call(ing) me in the morning"

7.62:D

[rarich]

In a city there is definately a need to be "lock stepped" due to the very limited space. You have to rely on your storage and hold the hordes off long enough that they die off over a year os so, and that will give the space to spread out. If you are in a neighborhood like in "Lights Out" maybe some prior planning would allow community buys on houses to be converted into Garden Areas or something........... A vested interest might go a long way to shutting up a grumbler, let him talk to the plants maybe..........

In a country situation it is easier, everyone can have their own "holding" and land (1 acre to 5 acre?)to do as the pleases on, that would allow some leeway. The holder that does not contribute to the rest of your group can find himself not getting the help bringing in the hay and other similar "shunning". The one that wastes the water might find it "rationed" or something......