First thread... Dealing with unwanted guest???

[delectric]

Last year I had the misfortune of having a family member (BIL) invite is extended family, and I MEAN EXTENDED FAMILY... there was over 21 people he invited or they tagged along, doesn't matter they all arrived at his house and it bleed over to my dad's house where they imposed themselves on him.
This was the RITA HURRICANE, and this thing centerlined the area, the issue was my retreat site is about a mile away, and should the situation have been much worse, it would have bleed over on me. And certain family members did show up and investigate my retreat.... I wasn't there, I didn't need to retreat or bugout, the hurricane missed me by about 100 miles.

Any random thoughts on how to handle this situation in the future?

[tedbo]

Well,I have always been blunt and to the point when it comes to people "inviting" themselves into my retreat.I tell them if they are not right now prepping themselves to take care of them and their own how can you honestly expect me to care for you?....If I wanted kids we would have grown a few of our OWN!!!
It may sound cold to some, but I do not expect someone to wipe my butt and I will not wipe theirs.If they are trying to make a real effort then I will help them the best I can.

[lew]

Well, you have to look out for number one before you can take care of anyone else. If you can/want to support them, that's good for them. If not, tough rocks. You have your own to worry about.

[tedbo]

Yup, It really makes logical sense to take care of the home 1st then others 2nd in a survival mode.If you have enough for you and yours that is good.If you have enough for close relatives and buddies after that it is great!If you only have enough for you and yours and give stuff to others knowing you are sacrificing EVERONE'S survival just doesn't make any sense!:eek:You might as well just stick a bullet in your own head.

[tedbo]

OH,and I am no expert by ANY means and I don't play one on TV!I guess I am really sick of hearing about the ones who expect someone to take care of them without them making any real effort(can we say gov't handouts?)my own relatives included.

[Dr. X]

It may sound cold to some, but I do not expect someone to wipe my butt and I will not wipe theirs.If they are trying to make a real effort then I will help them the best I can.

+1! I'm nacho Mama, and God helps those who help themselves...

as ever,
Dr. X

[akfanatic]

I cant tell you how many times I have heard "If something happens I'm coming to YOUR house".
I try to give preparedness advice and rather than taking it I always get the same statement.
I am soo FED UP WITH IT that when I hear it now I explain that anyone trying to get help from me because they were to shortsighted to prepare will be the FIRST motherfucker to get shot...

[bsdmon]

yea the only family i have in my state are one set of grandparents. i would definetely take them in if they could make it here. they wouldn't consume much and i know they'd be grateful. but unfortunately i don't know how much longer they'll be around. they said my grandmother would've been dead a few years ago but shes one tough lady. they know we own guns but besides that probably have no idea i'm stashing food and such. they're the type that would stay to weather the storm anyways. but my female cousin i would again definetely take in as i could use her on the team to handle a weapon. but i agree if i had more family in the area especially very extended family i wouldn't be able to just care for all of them. and well the rest of the sheeple it's there own problem.

[witchdoctor]

AKFANATIC - Watch out for the notorious Dirty Mateo, he will eat all of your soft food stuffs. :eek:

Fortunately I have a grandmother, parents, and that is it!!! My grandmother would end up at my parents house and they have made it clear they are not leaving their home unless it is destroyed. The few extended family members in the area do not know where I live, which I plan to keep it that way. My bug-out-buddy knows where I live and my girlfriend is here all the time, well it seems like it. So I am lucky that really no one will be imposing themselves on my apartment. My GF has no clue why I am trying to stockpile stuff or be ready for SHTF scenario. I have tried to explain it to her, but she has decided that if anything happens I have to go into a large city to fetch her and take her with me. We will see how that works!!! :D

If people imposed on me I would simply be like "GO AWAY SHEEPLE!!!" Family or not, I am not the Welfare Office and I do not give handouts!!! I have little love for my extended family and most live in a better remote location than I do. I would probably be going to knock on their door if SHTF on a regional or national scale.

[Dr. X]

My GF has no clue why I am trying to stockpile stuff or be ready for SHTF scenario. I have tried to explain it to her, but she has decided that if anything happens I have to go into a large city to fetch her and take her with me. We will see how that works!!!

No offense, WD, but yer GF needs a reality check! Come into a large city and fetch her, my ass! If, post Katrina, she has "no clue" why you want to be prepared, she's gonna be no help when the SHTF. Get her a copy of Rawles' book "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse". If, after reading the book, she still has "no clue", you might need to reassess what YOU need in a GF...

as ever,
Dr. X

[akfanatic]

No offense, WD, but yer GF needs a reality check! Come into a large city and fetch her, my ass! If, post Katrina, she has "no clue" why you want to be prepared, she's gonna be no help when the SHTF. Get her a copy of Rawles' book "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse". If, after reading the book, she still has "no clue", you might need to reassess what YOU need in a GF...


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[gunsmoke]

UNINVITED GUESTS????

That's what I stock ammo for. What do you plan on doing with it?

[tedbo]

Yup,I have a few "friends " who made the comment that they will be at my place when TSHTF.I told them not to bother as I will be harder on them than the usual Joe because I tried to get them off their fat a$$ when they had all the time in the world and I will be da*^ed if I will have them taking up space here!
I specifically left the city and spent 8 yrs finding just the right place that fulfills my and my wife's needs where we could be out of the line of fire and have some sort of infrastructure we could manage until we die.
The mom in law lived through the Depression AND WWII and I wouldn't give a million bucks for her.She is a wealth of knowledge and I hope and pray we can learn a lot before The Lord brings her home.
I have a couple of distant aunts and uncles who would be welcome with their experience,not sure about the cousins,tho.Some prolly could stand a beating or two.I have a brother that I wouldn't spit on if he was on fire,arrogant a$$ wipe.I have a 2 or 3 neighbors who would be right handy to have around and are fun to be with.
Oh well,sorry for the rant.I am doing a little venting.Family does that to me.

[g5m]

This reminds me of an old Twilight Zone program in the late '50's or early 60's where one family had a fallout shelter and there was a threat of war and the whole neighborhood showed up at the guy's fallout shelter, he wouldn't let anyone in, and then the war didn't happen. Relationships obviously changed after that. Or it's like Y2K . My family had plenty stored , didn't broadcast it, but , once, my wife mentioned it and the very next words were"Well, we know where we're going if it happens".

[Goldenspurholderx2]

In that Twilight Zone the guy asked his neighbors to help him build it so it would be large enough for all of them and they all laughed at him. When the "time" came the neighbors were pretty much outside throwing death threats his way 'cause it wasn't large enough for them.

I get pissed at my sister because she always leeches off my brother when thing go wrong. They are back east. She is a pharmacist married to a guy that makes a decent amount of money also. My brother is a janitor, been doing it for a while, so he makes OK money, and my mom lives with him since my dad passed. Well a couple of years ago power outages come around and my brother gives up his generator so my sister doesn't have to rough it. Fine, he helped her out. Her and her husband have money, they aren't hurting, did they go out and buy a generator for next time? No. Power outages roll around again my brother gives up his generator again, now I'm mad at him for not making my dumb a$$ sister learn her lesson. Tough love, some times you gotta do it. I'd tell all that say they are going to come to my house for SHTF to start paying their monthly $300/month/person SHTF insurance policy to me starting now and be dead serious about it. Then they might start thinking of prepping for themselves.

[tedbo]

I like that idea,GS!

[delectric]

Well guys no one directly answered the question... so I'll tell you what I did. I gave my BIL a copy of RETREAT SURVIVAL by Ragnar Bensen, and a copy of ARC planning guides for handling the masses. The Arc manual provided a huge amount of data including sanitation procedures, food distribution and other large group dianamics. RETREAT SURVIVAL gave him an idea of the security issues since he breached his own security with his over generous offer of assistance.
He read them and basically looked at me and said, "I'm in trouble ain't I?" I retorted, "Yea fool, now you have to dedicate resources to making these people handle the issue themselves, you have to educate them into getting prepared, and that's going to be tough."
He's been prodding them gently, basically saying that if they don't prepare for the next event, and they just show up, his BIL aka ME will turn them around by what ever means necessary.... and I have already got that issue planned out. And my dad gave me his blessing to handle the situation totally at my descretion. So I'm reinforcing my operational guidelines and moving some gear into position.
This year wasn't an issue thank God, next year naybe another story.

[Goldenspurholderx2]

I'd tell all that say they are going to come to my house for SHTF to start paying their monthly $300/month/person SHTF insurance policy to me starting now and be dead serious about it. Then they might start thinking of prepping for themselves.

I thought that was a good answer, not for after the fact, but for preventative measures.

[Goldenspurholderx2]

Someone else said it someplace else, but it is worth repeating.

First rule of 'Survival Club' is you DON'T talk about 'Survival Club'!

:D

[Rifleman]

delectric- Too late! You told them about your retreat. Such information should really be clasified and only on a need to know basis , i.e. only immediate and reliable family members and close friends.

just a thought.......

[sparkky]

I can be the most cold hearted SOB you never met after 2 divoraces.
I had good teachers!!!

[MdlMkr 7.62]

I agree about not telling anyone about any preparations you have made. How many Mormons do you know that frequently talk about the 1 yr supply of food that they keep? Hmm, maybe there's a reason for that???

Here is a good place to talk and learn about being prepared. Talking with friends, neighbors and relatives is probably not a good place.

Learn from someone who knows more than you do. Don't try to teach someone who isn't interested but will want a "free ride" if a natural (or man made) disaster happens.

Here's my answer to dealing with unwanted guests - don't have unwanted guests.

[delectric]

delectric- Too late! You told them about your retreat. Such information should really be clasified and only on a need to know basis , i.e. only immediate and reliable family members and close friends.

just a thought.......

no i didn't.... but BIL knows due to Y2K planning which we jointly conducted, and his error during Rita could have bled over on me... thus my last response.