The DemoRat's Gun Control Plan

[411man]

What the DemoRats attempt to do in their first efforts will be the result of the number of votes they can muster.

Assuming they wait until after 2008's elections and gain 10-15 more seats in the House and 2-4 more in the Senate along with the White House here is what they will go for.

A Ban on the Importation, Domestic Production, and Civilian Sales of:

1) ALL Military styled so called Assualt Weapons (pistol, rifle, and shotgun).
2) All 50 Calibre long arms.
3) All High Capacity Handguns.
4) ALL High Capacity firearm Magazines
5) ALL Parts and Parts Kits of banned firearms.

Now for the new areas of their interst. A Ban on the Importation, Domestic Production, and Civilian Sales of:

1) ALL Non-Sporting Ammunition (ie full metal jacket, military type and calibre ammo) both Military Surplus as well as Foreign and Domestic Commercial Produced ammunition of this type. This may include Law Enforcement calibre and type ammunition as well if they can get the votes.
2) All Non-Sporting Ammunition components
3) Armory License and Limitations on amounts Required for possession and storage of fixed ammunition and reloading componests such as primers and powder.
4)ALL Firearms sales and Transfers Required to be processed through Store Front FFLs. Thus ending the so called "Gun Show Loophold" and the "Kitchen Table" delears.
5) Licensing for possession of ALL Firearms and Ammunition owners.
6) Registration of ALL currently possessed firearms included in this ban.

At some point in time the Possession of all banned firearms, accessories, ammunition, and reloading components would be BANNED and confiscated.

Again the time frame for all of this would be contingent upon the Votes they control.

Let's not kidd ourselves. If the 2008 and 2010 elections go DemoRatic the above WILL happen and Very FAST! They don't want what happened in Austrialia to happen in the US (ie. time to bury or secret arms and munitions by the citizenry).

It is time to decide what each will do and plan accordingly now. You have two-three years minimum to get prepared.

[MrGrey]

I have started looking into weapons caching. I started studying the French as they were the most famous for it during WWII. Every now and then some one digs up a place to put in a new sewer or water line or move a cemetary, and they dig up a cache of weapons from the communist resistance. It has not happened recently so maybe they have dug them all up by now. The point is most were still in working order.

Stick a shovel in the dirt just about any where in vietnam and you may find a cache from the war. It will most likely be buried in an inner tube from a truck tire. You should be warned however to watch your step as many of them are still booby trapped just in case a US GI should find it and pull it out of the ground.

Prices of components and finished ammo will be going up sept 1 by 15 to 25 percent by the way. Just thought I'd toss that in.

I have tried to find out about caching in the US but to no avail. No one will admit to anything. My daughter asked me what I would do if my guns were outlawed. I looked her dead in the eye and said "What guns? I don't have any guns!" It was at that moment I understood why I can't find any data on cached weapons. No one admits anything.

So I crunched some numbers. there are hundreds of zillions of .22 rimfire rifles known to exist. Many just sit in closets with owners who are to busy to go out and play any more. many are just sitting in an attic waiting for grandpa to die. He won't give them up and is to old to get out any more. So there they sit. When he kicks off some grand kid will inherit. If you add up all the ammo made each year, it divides out to 3.2 rounds per fire arm. I burn through thousands of rounds just at the family camp out. That means that there are several truck loads of .22 rim fire weapons that are not fired at all that year. Multiply that by all the people I personaly know who blow through tons of ammo and that means that the vast majority of .22's are not being used at all ever. In fact they have not been used in years and years. Thats just the .22's. What percentage of those are not being used because they are burried?

If just one percent of the owners are tin foil hat warring conspiricy theorists, who burried a gun, that still means a few hundred thousand guns are burried.

Remember thats just the .22 rimfires. Now add all the guys in California who saw bans coming down on some part of their collections. Did they just turn them in, sell them out of state, or did they just evaporate?

I'll bet you there are more guns secreted away in the city of New York than exist out in the open in Idaho. California ain't far behind.

Not every one in those states is of the mind set that guns are the root of all evil. Many have the wisdom to read the writing on the wall.

I can't offer any difinitive numbers. No one will admit to anything. I do however suspect that more are in the ground than you can shake a stick at. I also suspect that more are being added almost daily.

That I was able to find out for sure, the activity of caching weapons dates back to the revolutionary war in this country. It was used to a limited degree in the civil war. It began to grow in popularity in 1938. It has increased (judging from the number of book sales on the topic) since the Clintons came to power. It stepped up again after the 9/11 attacks. If I were a betting man I would put my money on an increase again just before (or just after depending on the results) the next election in 2008.

The only thing I can determine for sure and certain is that the best time to cache is now. If you wait till the last second your in trouble and will do a piss poor job of it. If you do it now while you are thinking about it and have time to look around and do some exploring for a good place to put a cache in, you will do a better job of locating a good cache site. You will also have time to do a better job of hiding the fact that you own the gun that was cached. You need to come by it at a kitchen table trade. No papers.

conclusions? Your right. Your not the only one who thinks it either. Others have already moved to hide things. More of them than can be counted have already put away for a rainy day. IF your wrong, it will still happen as they have not given up in the past and I suspect will not give up any time soon. so if not now, then later but it is still something they work on every year. Should you have a cache? That depends on what you want to have access to if they should every get what they want.

The national guard rolled through new orleans after Katrina and went door to door collecting guns. When all was said and done, they the people reelected the same mayor and gov. It is the minority of people who still want freedom.

Your worries are well founded.

[daleellsworth]

speaking of katrina and cached guns,seems that a lot of folks there did just that,but it also seems to have been done mostly by the bad guys,add all the 50 states and those bad guys there and it clearly shows the need for action on our part to be prepared for any emergencies including the next election.at this time i have at least 3000 rnds of 308,and app same for 22,my 9mm and 45 stock is pretty low so that needs my attention.

[kvincent]

I agree that the possibility exists and the threat is real. However, I really believe that things are different now from 1993. For instance, I know ten guys (including me) that own black rifles that were never interested in them prior to 1993. All professional upper middle class guys. You didn't see that before. When you go to the range now you see 30 something year old couples shooting their ARs. Hers is pink. You didn't see that before. Remington makes ARs, S&W makes them, scores of other people make them. To some extent, the horse has left the barn and the cat is out of the bag. Add that there is no statistical argument (i.e., they can't argue that mass murder went through the roof after the AWB sunseted) and a new ban may be tougher than you think. I'm still positioning myself for a ban of some sort, but I think it'll be a fight.

Kerry

[505stevec]

I think that they will have a hard time passing any Federal Gun Control Considering the Supreme Court Decision. Furthermore the climate of the States seems to be swinging very pro gun of late. At least this is my hope!!!:confused: