Democrat... power change, you plans?

[delectric]

With the SOCIALIST taking control of the House and Senate, there are going to be some BIG changes in GUN CONTROL, TAXES, JUDICIAL SYSTEM, and much much more. The bottom line is it's going to affect your plans in a big way, have you reconsidered your priorities?
Are you planning on buying new weapons, ammo, food, fuel, property, how about reloading gear, and other security related gear before they dry up and or banned?

Guys and gals, things are about to change... unless you get it now, you will likely loose that opportunity forever.:(

[Godscarp]

We have 2 yrs to see what comes of this "wake up call" on the Republicans.
If this country does not revert to it's paleo-conservative under-pinnings, then we're finished. If Hitlery can win in '08, and the libs control both houses, there are no "checks and balances" left. We have 2 years to be ready for that consequence. God help us all if this comes to pass. If a "Reagan Conservative" does not materialize for the '08 race.................

I don't see an attack on RKBA in the meantime. The libs realize that if they leave us alone until they have consolidated all 3 branches, we're dead meat.

Watch closely, support GOA and pull all stops on preps.

Carp

[FN74]

Agreed with you both. Time to buy more ammo and kits....

[sparkky]

bocefus still has some AK and FAL kits at fair prices. especially the AK kits. now IS the time.
and don't forget MAGS!!! buy the spare hi-caps while you can. don't risk your life trying to pick up a $10.00 mag cause you don't have many.

[Imaexpat2]

We have 2 yrs to see what comes of this "wake up call" on the Republicans.


Thats a story I would like to believe and I will remain optimistic but honestly Gents...I dont think this train wreck is over quiet yet, I think its just the calm before the storm. I suspect we are about to take the ride of a life time.

Taxes will be increased, make no doubt about it, its what Democrats do best. They have rejected the taxs cuts Bush and Company have made in a most major way and you can bet they are going to really stick it to John Q. Citizen. I think it will not only increase in income tax but I am willing to bet that gas taxes are going to be increase a couple of times at least if they also end up winning the presidency.

There is going to be a tooth and nail fight for the presidency. They will need every vote they can get to win it too. As such Im sure we can look forward to "Comprhensive Immigration reform complete with amnesty for the 12 million plus already here, ensuring a huge voting block of new "victimized" voters that have been disenfrachised by the Bush Administration. It wouldnt suprise me to see legislation requiring a vast part of our american society to be bi-lingual, way more than we now are.

Gas prices will moree than likely increase as there aint going to be a possibility of drilling in the US or new refineries to help in relieving us of dependentcy on foriegn oil. They are going to tout as thier plan to increase alternative fuels which there aint enough of now as it is. The upside is this will prehaps expedite new technologies that can be taken advantage of for those wanting to get off the grid.


The Judicial Branch...we all know what the score there is and if you think its bad now giving enemy combatants the same due process rights American citizens have justy wait until the Dems get the ball rolling here. I bet trial lawyers are drooling uncontrollably as we speak.

I don't see an attack on RKBA in the meantime. The libs realize that if they leave us alone until they have consolidated all 3 branches, we're dead meat.


I think you got a point there but a very temp one. Sure they are going to be busy fronting lulling all of the sheeple into thinking they are here to help save us from that Evil Bush Machine. Its going to take some time to impeach Bush unless he can weasle oput of it some how. You know Dick Chaney is next. Unfortunately Rumsfeld resigning will be one less hurdle for them to cross but they have been mentioning trying him for war crimes. But with all of the trash the Dems talk whos knows whats really true and whats not. But I will bet you can expect to see some legislation simular to what California now has before the 2008 election year. Things such as the safety test of pistols thats now required in California that they instituted when thier Saterday Night Special ban failed to pass. The banning of the 50 Cal and possibly the 338 Laupa rifles, I mean according to Diane Frankinstien these things only have one purpose and thats killing at 2 miles or more and they can penetrate a 4" thick steel man hole cover (you know...those covers in the middle of the road that give utility workers access to under ground utilities). Then what about some possible ammo restrictions simular to the one they threatened is Winchester didnt stop making the Black Talons. I bet the STX, Gold Dots or other simular effective hollow points might also find themselves in the cross hairs. I think your right though they are going to wait ubntil they control the executive branch before the all out Assault Rifle bans comback and come back with a vengence. I can see thenm making some serious inroads in bringing America much closer to what Austrailians are currently dealing with, and I can bet they will decline to add a grandfather clause into the new legislation.

So good did come out of it all though...if you can really consider it good. We got rid of a lot of liberal posers that had been passing themselves off as Conservatives. So maybe they can re invent themselves into something worth thier base comming out and supporting them on. But I agree they have to get back to the Uncle Ronnie way of taking care of buisness. It only took 24 hours to do this much damage but its going to take a loooong time to make up for a set back this huge! I hope all of the Conservatives that didnt vote or voted for an independent or Democrate as a protest vote are happy with what they are about to inherit for the next several years...

[Godscarp]

We have 2 yrs to see what comes of this

Watch closely, support GOA and pull all stops on preps.

Carp

Here's the begining of the "Watch"..........

From "W"'s news conference on the dems control of the House:

What does this mean for your immigration policy?

"Yes, I think we have a better chance of getting immigration reform now with a Democrat-controlled Congress." GWB

The Republicans in the House blocked his "guest worker" and amnesty programs....... Here we go. W's NWO has no "party".:mad:

Maybe this should be an on-going thread..........

[Godscarp]

WATCH #2

Election 2006

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org

Wednesday, November 8, 2006


What impact, if any, will the transformational 2006 Congressional
Election have on Second Amendment rights?

While election 2006 may have been a referendum on many things (the
President, war in Iraq, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley for example), it
does not translate into greater support for gun control at the grass
roots level.

If anything, gun control was notable as a non-issue in this election.
In compiling the GOA rating, researchers could hardly find a
congressional candidate with any stated position on gun control on
campaign websites.

That's not to say many of the newly elected will not support the
anti-gun agenda; just that they recognize open support for gun
control will cost them at the polls.

Unlike the newly elected members, however, the Democrat Congressional
leadership is completely beholden to the far left anti-gun extreme of
its party.

House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (F-rated by GOA) is a charter member
of the most extreme wing of the party she now leads. As the person
who controls what bills come to the floor, Pelosi will be unable to
say "No" to the appeals for more gun control by the likes of Sarah
Brady and her congressional allies.

The Speaker's strongest House ally in the push for more gun control
is long-time Democrat anti-gun activist John Conyers, the likely
Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

Almost all bills related to the Second Amendment will pass through
Conyers' committee. The new Chairman, an extremist who advocates a
total handgun ban, will control the schedule of the committee as well
as which bills come up for committee vote.

The situation in the Senate may be worse (pending the outcome of the
Virginia senate race). Should Democrat Jim Webb hang on to win, the
expected new Senate Majority will be F-rated Harry Reid (NV) and the
probable incoming Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee would be
GOA F-rated Pat Leahy of Vermont

From there it really goes downhill.

The rest of the Democrats currently on the committee make up the
Who's Who of the anti-gun movement:

* Ted Kennedy (MA), the mouthpiece for Sarah Brady in the Senate;

* Joe Biden (DE), who chaired the Judiciary Committee when the Brady
bill passed in 1993, and who said at that time, famously, "The public
and the Congress have spoken unequivocally, and I don't care what a
minority wants;"

* Herb Kohl (WI), author of the "Gun Free Zones Ban;"

* Dianne Feinstein (CA), author of the so-called "Assault Weapons"
ban;

* Russ Feingold (WI), democrat lead sponsor of so-called campaign
finance reform;

* Charlie Schumer (NY), lead sponsor of the 1993 Brady law; and,

* Dick Durbin (IL), one of the most outspoken gun control zealots in
the senate.

Gun owners should look twice at the above list. Most or all of these
members will remain on the Judiciary Committee when the new Congress
convenes in January, and will help shape American gun laws for at
least the next two years.


Gun Owner Victories

There were several bright spots for gun owners this election. The
210th Congress will include the following "A rated" members who had
the support of Gun Owners of America's Political Action Committee:
Doug Lamborn (R-CO), Bill Sali (R-ID), Vern Buchanan (R-FL) Peter
Roskam (R-IL), Tim Walberg (R-MI), Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Adrian
Smith (R-NE), and Jim Jordan (R-OH).

With the exception of Buchanan, who has not held elected office, each
of these new representatives have strong, proven pro-gun records in
their respective state legislatures. In addition, Reps. Roskam,
Walberg, Smith and Jordan are a vast improvement over the Republicans
they are replacing.

Further, many of the incumbent Republicans who were defeated were not
pro-gun. For example, Nancy Johnson (CT), Jim Leach (IA), Clay Shaw
(FL), Curt Weldon (PA), and Charlie Bass (NH) were not strong gun
rights supporters.

In the Senate, ousted Republican Mike DeWine of Ohio was as anti-gun
as Charlie Schumer. The same can be said for Lincoln Chafee (R-RI).

Democrat Senators-elect Jon Tester (MT), and Bob Casey (PA), as well
as Jim Webb, claim to be pro-gun. It remains to be seen if they vote
that way.

The bottom line: On a race-by-race basis, the pro-gun movement
suffered a net loss of only a small handful of seats.

However, notwithstanding widespread calls for moderation within their
ranks, the Democrat leadership in the House and Senate will
unquestionably put gun owners on the defensive by seeking to renew
the so-called assault weapons ban, close down gun shows, and
drastically expand the Brady gun control law.

[Ryder]

Expect a "internet sales tax". You know they have been chomping at the bit to get at all the internet sales.

[witchdoctor]

Not sure if this fits here or not, but I think it does.

GUN SHOW REPORT!!!

While in attendance at one of the largest gun shows in NC this past weekend, my friend and I noted several things. First of all AR-style weapons were flying off the tables, along with parts, accessories, uppers, lowers, mags, ammo, etc. When I say this I mean MORE than usual. Second, AK-style weapons were really moving too. Third, a surprisingly strong number of M1A's and M1 Garands were on the move out the door as well. Ammo was being carted out in cases on hand trucks. Several of the vendors I know stated this was the best show in a long time!!! :D

So the question is, is the economy doing that well and everyone has extra money OR are people getting scared the DEM's are going to take their rights away.

I heard on the Fox News Network "A man's liberties, freedoms, and rights are not safe while Congress is in session"

(as best I can remember it anyway)

[411man]

It is now undeniable that it is time to research, plan and act to acquire whatever one needs to be prepared for what is headed our way.

I agree that we may see a Tax increase onslaught prior to the 2008 elections. With this and other situations in mind it seems all too obvious that proceeding with all haste with one's purchases is in order.

[Ssarge]

It is now undeniable that it is time to research, plan and act to acquire whatever one needs to be prepared for what is headed our way.

I agree that we may see a Tax increase onslaught prior to the 2008 elections. With this and other situations in mind it seems all too obvious that proceeding with all haste with one's purchases is in order.

I have already traded off my safe queen's and am getting my ammo in better order. I have eliminated one caliber completely, and have focused on having functional firearms that have plenty of spare parts, are uber reliable and I have plenty of ammo for. Also I am looking at a future AWB that will be more onerous than the last. So I am planning with that taken into consideration.

[Dr. X]

I have already traded off my safe queen's and am getting my ammo in better order. I have eliminated one caliber completely, and have focused on having functional firearms that have plenty of spare parts, are uber reliable and I have plenty of ammo for...

In the Battle of the Calibers, I have finally suceeded in my quest for non-diversity. Three calibers: .308, .45 and .22LR. Okay, FOUR calibers: I forgot the shotgun. 12 ga. rounds to feed it. THERE! Now that I have simplified, I've been trying to round up spare parts, mags, and most important, IMO: Ammo! Any new acquisitions will be in the above mentioned calibers, but, truth to tell, I have all the guns I need (notice I said "need", not "want"). It's time to concentrate on ALL forms of preparedness, be a "preparanoid", so to speak, not just in the firearms area. One of my biggest goals for the coming months/years is to get off the electrical grid, instead of seeing how many guns I can pack in a safe...:cool:

as ever,
Dr. X

[Ssarge]

In the Battle of the Calibers, I have finally suceeded in my quest for non-diversity. Three calibers: .308, .45 and .22LR. Okay, FOUR calibers: I forgot the shotgun. 12 ga. rounds to feed it.
as ever,
Dr. X

Dr. X, you are doing way better than I am in the caliber area. For pistols I have .45 acp, .40 S&W and 9mm (the .40 is because of my retirement Glock 22, an almost new 3d Generation pistol I handpicked when I was armorer).
Rifle caliber's are 7.62 NATO, 5.56 NATO, 7.62x39, 5.54x39 and .22 LR.
I probably do need to loose one or two more rifle calibers, and if I do I am sure it'll be one or both of the AK calibers.

[sparkky]

DocX,
I think caliber consolidation is a wise move, especially if towards common calibers. I made this decision several years ago and have culled out the "oddballs" for practibility purposes.
My consolidation is somewhat broader than yours but like I said, I started this a few years ago.

[Ssarge]

"I want a minimalist approach, without cutting myself short by being to minimalist".
That is the sum of my quandry. I am unsure that sticking to NATO calibers alone, though they are my primary calibers and my planned go to firearms are all chambered in standard NATO caliders.
That said, I have two very high quality, not from kit rifles, one in each of the former Warsaw Pact standard which is still heavily used all over the world.
I also have adequate supply of magazines for each firearm, but intend to add a number more before years end, especially the HK 93. I never ever use commercial, only GI mags.
I have been buying and setting aside ammo for 15 years. I'm now cleaning up 8 .50 ammo cans, they will be cleaned, painted with the OD green Rustoleum and then the last of my older 7.62 NATO that has been stored in 25mm ammo cans outside will be sorted and stored inside in racks. My best, new ammo is all there and has always been stored inside, previously it was a matter of room until I was able to get my daughter to move out and go to University.

[Dr. X]

I have two very high quality, not from kit rifles, one in each of the former Warsaw Pact standard which is still heavily used all over the world.
I also have adequate supply of magazines for each firearm...

Since you already own the rifles and have mags and ammo for them, then there is no need for further downsizing. They don't eat nothin' and all they take up is space. Better to have and not need, etc...My minmalist approach is brought on by finances (or lack thereof) rather than single-minded determination on my part. My FAL is my only EBR. My SA 1911A1 is my only sidearm. My Mossberg T48 my only .22. I'm still on the hunt to replace my shotty but I'm not payin' what these people want for one. I run across more 12's for sale than anything else, so no worries. I have a full set of extras and 20 mags for the FAL. No extras for the .45 yet, but more mags and spare parts are on my "want" list. The Mossy is a tank and will be here long after I'm dead and gone. Just have to stock ammo for it. The KISS principle is a must fer me as I have trouble concentrating (as if you couldn't tell...:D )

as ever,
Dr. X

[SmokeEater2]

I added the last rifle I intend (intend mind you) to buy,an M1A. I've been buying or trading for the GI mags for awhile along with spare GI parts. I too am going to part with some safe queens in calibers I don't stock much. I will be adding brass,powder,and bullets to the reloading stash since I really expect a surplus ammo ban. I think the dems would have an easier time sliding something like that through to begin with anyway.:mad:

[martin35]

Harboring some small degree of paranoia is wise even in the best of times, conservatives we elected were too self serving to act as a majority,,, they lacked a sufficient amount of paranoia.
Democrats need only to secure our southern border and be perceived as having implemented immigration control to be re-elected across the board, Americans don't want to fight but they are addicted to being cozy in their inherited freedoms, that accomplished arms bans are no big deal for a majority.
That being said you are left with the decision will you comply or no.

[Dr. X]

That being said you are left with the decision will you comply or no...

The answer being "no"...I made peace with my decision years ago. I don't intend to stand down now...:cool:

as ever,
Dr. X

[martin35]

The answer being "no"...I made peace with my decision years ago. I don't intend to stand down now...

as ever,
Dr. X

The decision need not be made public at this time of stored electronic records but a reaction to a actual occurence will be required at some future date.
Few believe our posturing in the world today anyway.

[Dr. X]

The decision need not be made public at this time of stored electronic records but a reaction to an actual occurence will be required at some future date...

I WANT .gov to know where I stand. No brag, just fact...:mad:

as ever,
Dr. X :mad: