Starting some shite.... WOMEN POST SHTF

[delectric]

Everyone likely knows that I lost my lady back in June, and this is one thread she had to agree with me on....

WOMEN POST SHTF.... or TEOTWAWKI

I've posted a few threads about this and the results were always traumatic from the women....

Everyone here has sat down in the local mall and see the soccer mommies, and other victims of political correctness, and likely wondered, "What's going to happen to these females if and when the shite hits the fan or TEOTWAWKI?"

Well I'm not talking about women that have weapons skills, combat training, former soldiers, and or women survivalist.... I'm talking about SHEEPLE SOCCER MOMMIES AND THEIR DAUGHTERS.... from ages 11 thru 47, child bearing capable, entering puberty or exiting it.

Some things to consider...

Men's mortality rates will be HIGH due to civil unrest, men get killed quicker.

Medical treatment will likely cease to exist, and thus the wounded will die, and complications from child bearing will increase mortality in women, the old and infirm will die from the lack of proper medical and pharmasuitical care, children's mortality will exceed the birth rate due to childhood diseases making comebacks due to no immunity or innoculations.

Food supplies will dry up within the first 45 days, and food riots will lead to the destruction of entire towns and infrastructure to support distribution of foods and supplies.

There will be NO ELECTRICITY, staffing such would be impossible due to security concerns and blind violence being conducted upon anyone who may have something some does not.... Haves against have nots.

And as history has told us before the strongest prevail themselves upon the weaker.... survival of the fittest.

Women of child bearing age will seek out prepared males, and do what is necessary to enhance their gene pool, and if necessary prositute themselves to keep their children alive.

Daughters will be traded like barter goods to provide for alliances and build bigger family alliances, so arranged marriages will become a necessity in order to keep the peace.

Polygamy will likely rare it's head, and women may not like it, but will have to accept it in order to keep their children alive and healthy in this fuedal state of affairs.

Polyanny (sp) may occur, but only in the lower caste due to the fact that younger more nubile women will be seeking the more secure and dominant males that have prepared and are in leadership positions.

And there are people herein that think they know their spouses, when actually they will likely be replaced, if and when they get out of line or attempt to subvert the reasoning of that spouse.... the shallow grave syndrome.

Another point, there is safety in numbers, any woman, spouse or wife who refuses to acknowledge this fact is dooming their family to a very short duration.... the Mormans and LDS knew this when they feld Ohio when they were driven from that state early in the LDS history, hundred of LDS males were killed defending their communities, John Smith and crew kne that in order for their religion and families to survive, certain aspects of their existance would have to radically change. LDS / Mormans chose to survive and these sacrefices were made... and today as a result of those sacrefices they exist as one of the largest religious communities in the US.

Any comments??

[delectric]

There are ten views and not one comment, no one want to step into the bear trap.... or is your woman looking over your shoulder?:D

Alright you gutless SOB's I want to see someone with the intestinal fortitude making some noise.:rolleyes:

[Dr. X]

I've often pondered this point and come to basically the same conclusions. Looking at couples has been a laugh for several years now. The twinks who are sought out by the women of today couldn't protect their OWN pretty ass much less protect breeding-age women and their daughters from predators lookin' for mates, to say nothing of their property. I see survival oriented women banding together into units when there are no suitable males to protect them. Things could always get REAL twisted and the swarms of manless females would band together in rape gangs, driven insane by their biological clocks, trolling for poor unsuspecting males and forcing them into perverted sexual depravity once captured. Healthy males would be put out to stud and...SHHEEEESH, nevermind already!!! :cool:

as ever,
Dr. X

[Imaexpat2]

Interesting post...I have often wondered many of these points before. How ever, as politically incorrect as it sounds and may be, as much as many are above this or think they are, Ive not dared to mention it....

In a post SHTF situation I think one could see several of these happen to one degree or another, In a TEOTWAWKI one might very well see all of the things you mentioned become somewhat common.

Woman are far more independent, skilled and resourceful than ever before in the past, but some how I have a feeling that they are the exception, not the rule. Im sure most of the women with the survival/preper mindset could hold their own with the best of the fellas, I do have my doubts about the typical sheeple female population, but then I wonder about some of the men too!!! Some of them are just as blind and dependent...

[Jen]

Women of child bearing age will seek out prepared males, and do what is necessary to enhance their gene pool, and if necessary prositute themselves to keep their children alive.
I will disagree with you on this. I don't see women of child bearing age seeking out prepared males to enhance the gene pool, but more so strictly as a matter of survival, assuming they survive to this point that is. Women will usually do whatever they have to in order to protect their children, as mentioned. But I don't see procreation as their driving force to find some prepared guy, but more a matter of survival and protection.

As for the soccer moms, those who can't already protect themselves - they'll have a tough time surviving SHTF long enough to seek out the well prepared guy looking for a harem of wives to 'enhance the gene pool' with.

[Imaexpat2]

Jen, I see you read that from the same angle I did...

[SniperBait]

I can understand your thesis, and it has some merit. One problem I see is, as survivors we remain safe by our/group isolation. As you said...

"Men's mortality rates will be HIGH due to civil unrest, men get killed quicker."

They die quicker from:
1. Poor decision making skills
2. Dis-inhibitors such as booze, drugs, adrenaline, exc.
3. Puzzie

I fear that all the soccer moms and daughters will fall pray to the male sheep who offer comforting words. The same way the young girl did in the movie "The Day After". Raped, abandoned, knocked up, and giving birth to a monster baby, alone in a barn.

Many years ago I got my degree in psychology. I read all the studies about rodent society. If you can believe that Humans share some of the instinct traits as rodents. Then most likely when the population drops significantly. (While you are in your hidin spot.) Every rogue male left alive will have a very large spike in their sex drive. An uncontrollable need to pass on genes and repopulate. This impulse is natures way of preventing "natural selection" from creating gene pools. An example would be ancient Rome. All the beautiful people come together in one place to breed with other beautiful people. Until Rome became a group of families, that constantly inbred. Like Hollywood!!! :eek:

Now the rats tell us something else. If after TEOTWAWKI females are a rare commodity. Do we continue acting like male rats and act homosexual? It happens in the real world in all male environments, like prisons.

You said, "and do what is necessary to enhance their gene pool, and if necessary prostitute themselves to keep their children alive."

Seriously, no flame intended. To prostitute a woman to keep her children alive, is rape! It is hard wired into all of us to act like RATS. The challenge is to step above the rabble, and lead.

In the herum world you describe. Having many wives sounds like a stately position to be in. History says that when you become sick or injured. Your second in command "secedes you". And eliminates your offspring. (The way male lions do)! You failed your children by not teaching your second in command kindness, mercy, morals...

You said,.... "And there are people herein that think they know their spouses, when actually they will likely be replaced, if and when they get out of line or attempt to subvert the reasoning of that spouse.... the shallow grave syndrome."

I agree totally. As the Terminator said. "It's in our nature to destroy ourselves". Many on prep forums want to learn how to live long enough to fill a few graves and settle some scores. Me on the other hand. I would rather die a nameless death trying to rescue a soccer mom then going down in history with names like Nero, Caligula, Henry VIII, Jim Jones.:cool:

[delectric]

Ok would a women seek out someone who is ill prepared, lacking any survival skills what so ever, knowing full well that their chances of survival would be reduced? Because this is what you are expecting me to believe that these women want. Most women want children, their bio-clock is ticking, they want these children to grow up and pass their genes on to the suceeding generations... any other assumution would non-survival aka accepting death or the end of one's own gene pool.
Understand that 'individual rights and rights granted by man" can be removed by man, it has occurred through out time, Hilter, Stalin, Mao, and PoPot all did so. Women are more susceptable to this, primarily because they are easily recognized as female, they are normally weaker, smaller, and behaviorally different, so expect individual women's rights to be curtailed or surrendered by the very women who wanted them in the first place, thus becoming subserviant to a stronger or more dominant male.
One of the above posters vaguely mentioned 'survival inclined women ' banding together literally becoming amazons.... not likely, sexual deviation from hetrosexual have never worked in any instance or example in historical time.
Women always survive, they have something men want, a beautiful woman or a woman capable of bearing handsome children will be sought out, they will not likely have seek out prepared males.... these men will want a handsome, strong and intellegent children, why? To garner alliances, dominate former enemies via strong genetic patterns engrained by their own selective breeding.
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Citing examples.... look at fuedal Europe back in the Dark Ages, history depicks women as subserviant, submissive, and when attaining their goals they used guile to attain them. Women rose to higher class via marriage, and heridity.... some even out lived their male counterpart. Women or young women were traded to assert treaties, to garner partnerships, to attain lands, to attain titles, to garner alliances, to assert power, and to attain doweries.
Should mankind slip over the abiss of technology it may take decades if not a century to recover from the loss of this technological world we share today.... envision the complete loos of every piece of stored data in the world... wealth would disappear, information and knowledge loss forever, my like the library in Alexindria Egypt being lost centuries ago.



I will disagree with you on this. I don't see women of child bearing age seeking out prepared males to enhance the gene pool, but more so strictly as a matter of survival, assuming they survive to this point that is. Women will usually do whatever they have to in order to protect their children, as mentioned. But I don't see procreation as their driving force to find some prepared guy, but more a matter of survival and protection.

As for the soccer moms, those who can't already protect themselves - they'll have a tough time surviving SHTF long enough to seek out the well prepared guy looking for a harem of wives to 'enhance the gene pool' with.

[sparkky]

I'm more focused on "assets" than "liabilities."

back when I was single it was my policy to never get serious with a women with kids. I'd party with em, sleep with em,,,,,,,,,but NO WAY would I have considered living with them or marrying them.

I wouldn't ever consider taking a woman just for a "bed warmer" after TSHTF.
I have blankets.
Sucks to be them.

same would apply to a man (without the physical aspect). if they have no skills or no preps they have no value to me. "worthless eater" comes to mind in both applications.

I do think a woman with or without kids would latch onto anyone that could offer a prospect of survival.

[ram]

Delectric, you need to study a little more history. Your "facts" about the LDS are not all correct; however, you may have stumbled onto something. I recently read a book about mid-nineteenth century LDS polygamy published by the University of Illinois and written by Katherine Daynes, an associate professor of history at Brigham Young University. Her basic premise is that polygamy was more of a welfare program than anything else, given that second and third wives were overwhelmingly widows and orphans who didn't have any other financial support system.

From a personal standpoint, my great, great, etc. grandfather was a polygamist living in Southern Utah in the 1850's. He was personally told by Brigham Young one day that since he was financially well off (probate judge, school teacher, etc.), he had a duty to support a second wife. He went home and informed his wife of many years, who told him that her best friend, a single mother trying to raise a daughter by herself, would be an excellent choice, and that she would arrange it. That woman became his second wife, and my (however-many-greats) grandmother.

[delectric]

I stand corrected... however, the premise is primarily correct, women will forced into situations out of the "welfare" you mentioned, and men will be forced to take on more responsibility. Ask any polgamist, it's not all sexual adventure and fun and games.... it's a demanding life-style that places the man as protector, provider, leader, ambassador, negotiator, father, husband, and a host of other titles.
Byt it could go the other way for those less fortunate... polyanni (sp) is not uncommon where males dominate the scene.


Delectric, you need to study a little more history. Your "facts" about the LDS are not all correct; however, you may have stumbled onto something. I recently read a book about mid-nineteenth century LDS polygamy published by the University of Illinois and written by Katherine Daynes, an associate professor of history at Brigham Young University. Her basic premise is that polygamy was more of a welfare program than anything else, given that second and third wives were overwhelmingly widows and orphans who didn't have any other financial support system.

From a personal standpoint, my great, great, etc. grandfather was a polygamist living in Southern Utah in the 1850's. He was personally told by Brigham Young one day that since he was financially well off (probate judge, school teacher, etc.), he had a duty to support a second wife. He went home and informed his wife of many years, who told him that her best friend, a single mother trying to raise a daughter by herself, would be an excellent choice, and that she would arrange it. That woman became his second wife, and my (however-many-greats) grandmother.

[Ryder]

Oh come on Delectric...you know you just wanna have a harem ;)

[Goldenspurholderx2]

Not trying to flame, honest. I have read through this and even though it is presented with some level of science and sociology involved it still sounds like some teenagers wet dream to me.

[delectric]

Not trying to flame, honest. I have read through this and even though it is presented with some level of science and sociology involved it still sounds like some teenagers wet dream to me.

Sounds like a honest assessment.... since an 18 year old male is at peak efficiency, he should be able to take most of the guys herein down, take their women and do a CONAN on them.... as they trample you into the dust.
But I was asked once a few years ago, "what's to stop you from doing anything you wanted to do?" and the answer is 'you are making your own laws, you are in control of the situation, only your honor or duty to another would preclude the any possibility scenario.'

[delectric]

Oh come on Delectric...you know you just wanna have a harem ;)

And since you know me, oh too well, you know I could handle it and then some.... LOL:o

[Jonas Parker]

Good Lord! One wife is enough!

[Goldenspurholderx2]

Good Lord! One wife is enough!

Yeah, what he said!:D

[delectric]

Yeah, what he said!:D

A wife.... guys when did marriage come into the equation?

A little narrow in the scope of things guys, so why would you marry another woman or honor the marriage you currently have... it's a CIVIL CONTRACT between two parties that filed this contract with a State that no longer exist, life goes on guys, and unless you improvise, adapt and overcome... someone else will at your expense.

And I know little bit guys.... after your gone, dead, killed or your meds run out, what is the wife going to do?

[tedbo]

How about this little tidbit?It is known that to some degree in the equine world a herd of mares if put together over a certain time frame have been known to cycle all together-in other words,all of them AT THE SAME TIME!
I have 4 mares that I can basically tell within a day or 2 who is having that time of the month.Not all the time,sometimes.
(Insert Rod Serling voice)Imagine,if you will this man,this poor unsuspecting man who,unknown to him the tortuous moments about to befall him.Here he is,out doing the food gathering,fire making,doing battle with other determined men after TSHTF.He is ready to head to the cave and enjoy the evening resting,eating,and hopefully a little wrestling with a women or two(or three..)and calling it a night.Oh,that poor wretched man.ALL of those women are having that time of the month and are in NO mood for such an evening.Welcome to the Twilight Zone!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:(especially if PMS is involved...)

[delectric]

How about this little tidbit?It is known that to some degree in the equine world a herd of mares if put together over a certain time frame have been known to cycle all together-in other words,all of them AT THE SAME TIME!
I have 4 mares that I can basically tell within a day or 2 who is having that time of the month.Not all the time,sometimes.
(Insert Rod Serling voice)Imagine,if you will this man,this poor unsuspecting man who,unknown to him the tortuous moments about to befall him.Here he is,out doing the food gathering,fire making,doing battle with other determined men after TSHTF.He is ready to head to the cave and enjoy the evening resting,eating,and hopefully a little wrestling with a women or two(or three..)and calling it a night.Oh,that poor wretched man.ALL of those women are having that time of the month and are in NO mood for such an evening.Welcome to the Twilight Zone!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:(especially if PMS is involved...)

And here is a interesting fact, most women working in the same office have periods normally within the same week.... and the new women in the office, their periods slowly adjust to the rest of the women in the office.

But I've never known a little blood, or lack of anger management to stop an horny guy from doing who or whom he wishes regardless of attitudes.

So guys what you so squimish about? PMS... big deal, if you don't like the attitude being presented, you have other alternatives... the rules just went out the window.